Discussion:
Windows Media Player 10 for Windows 98
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98 Guy
2009-12-10 14:01:39 UTC
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Unofficial 98MP10 upgrades older Windows Media Player 9.0 (WMP9) files
to newer Windows Media Player 10.0 (WMP10)

98MP10 adds newer WMP10 XP + WMP9 XP SP3 functionality even if you do
NOT see 10.x.x.xxxx build whenever you run WMPLAYER.EXE or MPLAYER2.EXE
in the Help -> About Windows Media Player dialog box.

WMP9 build/version does NOT change even after installing 98MP10, because
WMP9 specific core files (like WMP.DLL) canNOT and should NOT be
replaced. If you do replace any of them, WMP9 will lock up. Therefore
when installing any official/unofficial (security) patches/(hot)fixes,
you will be able, just as before, to install ONLY files created
specifically for WMP9 AND Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE/ME.

http://www.mdgx.com/98mp10/98mp10.php

98MP10 advantages + improvements:

- fixed most WMP9 bugs + security vulnerabilities
- better audio + video hardware rendering
- professional MP3 codec with variable bit rate encoding
- better/faster streaming over networks/internet
- updated DRM support (remove DRM functionality if desired)
- disable WMP Unique-ID (prevents Microsoft from identifying you)
- minor interface changes.
MEB
2009-12-10 17:01:30 UTC
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Post by 98 Guy
Unofficial 98MP10 upgrades older Windows Media Player 9.0 (WMP9) files
to newer Windows Media Player 10.0 (WMP10)
98MP10 adds newer WMP10 XP + WMP9 XP SP3 functionality even if you do
NOT see 10.x.x.xxxx build whenever you run WMPLAYER.EXE or MPLAYER2.EXE
in the Help -> About Windows Media Player dialog box.
WMP9 build/version does NOT change even after installing 98MP10, because
WMP9 specific core files (like WMP.DLL) canNOT and should NOT be
replaced. If you do replace any of them, WMP9 will lock up. Therefore
when installing any official/unofficial (security) patches/(hot)fixes,
you will be able, just as before, to install ONLY files created
specifically for WMP9 AND Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE/ME.
http://www.mdgx.com/98mp10/98mp10.php
- fixed most WMP9 bugs + security vulnerabilities
- better audio + video hardware rendering
- professional MP3 codec with variable bit rate encoding
- better/faster streaming over networks/internet
- updated DRM support (remove DRM functionality if desired)
- disable WMP Unique-ID (prevents Microsoft from identifying you)
- minor interface changes.
You know damn well these also subject the users to potential and
ongoing V10 vulnerabilities which are not protected via 9X capable AV
and other programs due to the differing operating environments and
expected respective activities.

Why don't you just keep this crap over on MSFN and the other sites and
forums that cater to this type of UNTESTED [other than installation]
modifications.

Don't bother pointing to the users of those modifications for supposed
"testing" as most of those {such as you} know only that the
modifications install.. {gees I hate to have to say that for
Axcel216/MGDx after all the good work done "during the day"}
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someone watching
2009-12-11 02:52:43 UTC
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MEB, you sometimes answer posts with information which is helpful. BUT
the traffic cop approach (e.g. your response to 98Guy's post in this
thread) is just nauseating. It's been addressed before. Don't you have
anything better to do with your time than act as this groups traffic
cop?

We all know this NG addresses an 11 year old (read: ELEVEN YEAR OLD)
operating system, superceded by ME, W2K, XP, Vista, Win7. It is followed
by few people, many of whom (such as myself) *APPRECIATE* ANY WAY TO
CONTINUE USING W98 as technology RACES away!! GET IT? And don't you
think people using an operating system ELEVEN YEARS OLD have SOME
experience with operating systems and realize W98 is UNSUPPORTED and
subject to all kinds of malicious intrusion (BTW; as is *ANY* OS, READ
*ANY* , *ANY*, *ANY* OS), or do you think people are incapable of taking
care of these matters and NEED you acting as a trumpet and their
protector?

Come on, give us a break with that nonsense. I'd like to continue to see
you address posts in a helpful, not HATEFUL manner as is the case here.
Wouldn't you rather be though of as HELPFUL instead of your NOW
perceived participation as an irritant!

Thanks to 98Guy for keeping us updated with these mods to keep W98
going!

I for one don't always use them but keep information in the back of my
mind or even archive it for possible future use. And like MANY, I want
to keep W98 alive as long as possible (because I use it)!
MEB
2009-12-11 03:18:16 UTC
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Post by someone watching
MEB, you sometimes answer posts with information which is helpful. BUT
the traffic cop approach (e.g. your response to 98Guy's post in this
thread) is just nauseating. It's been addressed before. Don't you have
anything better to do with your time than act as this groups traffic
cop?
Like I care what you think...
Post by someone watching
We all know this NG addresses an 11 year old (read: ELEVEN YEAR OLD)
operating system, superceded by ME, W2K, XP, Vista, Win7. It is followed
by few people, many of whom (such as myself) *APPRECIATE* ANY WAY TO
CONTINUE USING W98 as technology RACES away!! GET IT? And don't you
think people using an operating system ELEVEN YEARS OLD have SOME
experience with operating systems and realize W98 is UNSUPPORTED and
subject to all kinds of malicious intrusion (BTW; as is *ANY* OS, READ
*ANY* , *ANY*, *ANY* OS), or do you think people are incapable of taking
care of these matters and NEED you acting as a trumpet and their
protector?
Do YOU think YOU supply anything of value here...

These are DEFINITELY *not* the way to achieve longer use of the 9X OS.
What part instill NEW AND UNKNOWN vulnerabilities escapes your mental
faculties. Or is it you think that these provide fixes when they are NOT
designed for the 9X OS and the way IT functions, AND are completely
unknown to any available protections used with the 9X OS protection
applications. Perhaps its just that you don't think...
Post by someone watching
Come on, give us a break with that nonsense. I'd like to continue to see
you address posts in a helpful, not HATEFUL manner as is the case here.
Wouldn't you rather be though of as HELPFUL instead of your NOW
perceived participation as an irritant!
By whom, parties with your apparent intellectual capacity/// hahahaha.
Post by someone watching
Thanks to 98Guy for keeping us updated with these mods to keep W98
going!
I for one don't always use them but keep information in the back of my
mind or even archive it for possible future use. And like MANY, I want
to keep W98 alive as long as possible (because I use it)!
Well good luck, and WHY don't you provide some actual test results for
9X users, you know something useful... rather than spouting this garbage.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2009-12-11 08:34:30 UTC
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Post by MEB
Post by someone watching
MEB, you sometimes answer posts with information which is helpful. BUT
the traffic cop approach (e.g. your response to 98Guy's post in this
thread) is just nauseating. It's been addressed before. Don't you have
anything better to do with your time than act as this groups traffic
cop?
Like I care what you think...
OK, he tried - as I did - to say that some of your posts are helpful. If
you don't care what _anybody_ thinks, fairy nuff.
[]
Post by MEB
Do YOU think YOU supply anything of value here...
A post like his - like this one - is suggesting you consider withholding
your reflex (i. e. [knee-]jerk) reaction to any 98Guy post. If our
suggestions have no effect, i. e. you will continue to post one of your
templates (I see you have a new one - oh joy; at least it's shorter this
time) whenever 98G posts, then indeed we shouldn't bother. (Though I
hope I do occasionally post helpful answers to others - probably someone
watching does too.)
Post by MEB
These are DEFINITELY *not* the way to achieve longer use of the 9X OS.
Perhaps you could say what _is_ - other than keeping it in aspic, virgin
and untouched? Thinking about it, I don't think I have ever seen YOU
post anything about any update, for any part of '98. Maybe you've never
found any that satisfy your rigorous testing requirements.
Post by MEB
What part instill NEW AND UNKNOWN vulnerabilities escapes your mental
faculties. Or is it you think that these provide fixes when they are NOT
designed for the 9X OS and the way IT functions, AND are completely
unknown to any available protections used with the 9X OS protection
applications. Perhaps its just that you don't think...
Whisper this quietly: maybe they DO provide fixes (in the form of extra
functionality), but DO introduce new vulnerabilities at the same time!
[]
Post by MEB
By whom, parties with your apparent intellectual capacity/// hahahaha.
Comments like that only serve to diminish what your i. c. looks like
(not to me - I assume you don't care what I think, like you don't
someone watching - I mean to the hypothetical innocent whom you appear
to be trying to protect).
Post by MEB
Post by someone watching
Thanks to 98Guy for keeping us updated with these mods to keep W98
going!
I for one don't always use them but keep information in the back of my
mind or even archive it for possible future use. And like MANY, I want
to keep W98 alive as long as possible (because I use it)!
Similarly for me (though it's very much my second machines now).
Post by MEB
Well good luck, and WHY don't you provide some actual test results for
9X users, you know something useful... rather than spouting this garbage.
For once I will refrain from saying why don't you provide some, because
as I say I can't remember - recently, anyway - you providing any details
of any updates at all.
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MEB
2009-12-11 10:22:29 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by MEB
Post by someone watching
MEB, you sometimes answer posts with information which is helpful. BUT
the traffic cop approach (e.g. your response to 98Guy's post in this
thread) is just nauseating. It's been addressed before. Don't you have
anything better to do with your time than act as this groups traffic
cop?
Like I care what you think...
OK, he tried - as I did - to say that some of your posts are helpful. If
you don't care what _anybody_ thinks, fairy nuff.
[]
Post by MEB
Do YOU think YOU supply anything of value here...
A post like his - like this one - is suggesting you consider withholding
your reflex (i. e. [knee-]jerk) reaction to any 98Guy post. If our
suggestions have no effect, i. e. you will continue to post one of your
templates (I see you have a new one - oh joy; at least it's shorter this
time) whenever 98G posts, then indeed we shouldn't bother. (Though I
hope I do occasionally post helpful answers to others - probably someone
watching does too.)
Post by MEB
These are DEFINITELY *not* the way to achieve longer use of the 9X OS.
Perhaps you could say what _is_ - other than keeping it in aspic, virgin
and untouched? Thinking about it, I don't think I have ever seen YOU
post anything about any update, for any part of '98. Maybe you've never
found any that satisfy your rigorous testing requirements.
You're wasting my time...
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by MEB
What part instill NEW AND UNKNOWN vulnerabilities escapes your mental
faculties. Or is it you think that these provide fixes when they are NOT
designed for the 9X OS and the way IT functions, AND are completely
unknown to any available protections used with the 9X OS protection
applications. Perhaps its just that you don't think...
Whisper this quietly: maybe they DO provide fixes (in the form of extra
functionality), but DO introduce new vulnerabilities at the same time!
Okay, *YOU* provide the test results; SHOW 9X users they provide
functionality and no new vulnerabilities... give them something to
review so they can make an intelligent and informed decision...
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]
Post by MEB
By whom, parties with your apparent intellectual capacity/// hahahaha.
Comments like that only serve to diminish what your i. c. looks like
(not to me - I assume you don't care what I think, like you don't
someone watching - I mean to the hypothetical innocent whom you appear
to be trying to protect).
You're right I don't care... I said that before... and you two are
hardly innocents..
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by MEB
Post by someone watching
Thanks to 98Guy for keeping us updated with these mods to keep W98
going!
I for one don't always use them but keep information in the back of my
mind or even archive it for possible future use. And like MANY, I want
to keep W98 alive as long as possible (because I use it)!
Similarly for me (though it's very much my second machines now).
Post by MEB
Well good luck, and WHY don't you provide some actual test results for
9X users, you know something useful... rather than spouting this garbage.
For once I will refrain from saying why don't you provide some, because
as I say I can't remember - recently, anyway - you providing any details
of any updates at all.
BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE... 9X is EOL. It ended support life with a
finite set of vulnerabilities, change those and you have NO idea what
you do have.
You want fixes then do like you're SUPPOSED to do, search for
programmers providing ACTUAL DESIGNED FOR 9X applications... guess what,
there are some still doing so.
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Sunny
2009-12-11 23:47:35 UTC
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"MEB" <MEB-not-***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
<snip>
Post by MEB
Okay, *YOU* provide the test results; SHOW 9X users they provide
functionality and no new vulnerabilities... give them something to
review so they can make an intelligent and informed decision...
Thankfully, you egotstical clown, you don't get to give orders to anyone.
Post by MEB
You want fixes then do like you're SUPPOSED to do, search for
programmers providing ACTUAL DESIGNED FOR 9X applications... guess what,
there are some still doing so.
Yep, there are programmers out there, the same ones you knock for daring
to provide apps for "9X".
I still use Win98 and am thankful for the efforts of others to keep it
going, as distinct from your abusive "Know it All" crap.

If you had a real interest, you would test apps yourself, instead of
bleating about others achievements.
You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of
wallpaper.
98 Guy
2009-12-12 00:07:48 UTC
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Post by Sunny
You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the
personality of wallpaper.
Actually, he has the personality of a Micro$haft lawyer.

He certainly has the writing style of one.
MEB
2009-12-12 03:19:07 UTC
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Post by 98 Guy
Post by Sunny
You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the
personality of wallpaper.
Actually, he has the personality of a Micro$haft lawyer.
He certainly has the writing style of one.
Actually nimrods, I have tested 9X betas, win3 betas, XP betas, and the
OSs, Linux compilations, and thousands of applications, AND posted to
the programmers.
WHILE doing legal work, my regular work, a computer business, AND a
couple hobbies. Now what is it EXACTLY that you have done in your POS
lives, I mean besides being the idiots you are...
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98 Guy
2009-12-12 03:35:54 UTC
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Post by 98 Guy
Actually, he has the personality of a Micro$haft lawyer.
He certainly has the writing style of one.
Actually nimrods, I have tested 9X betas, ...
Ok you klown.

If you've tested 9x then why don't YOU test these suggested 9x patches
instead of always bellyaching that they need or should be tested.

After all, you're the big test man, right? Microsoft engineers come to
you when they need testing - right? You wrote the book on Windoze
testing - right?

And you've worked on inventing and setting up usenet for them too -
right?
WHILE doing legal work, my regular work,
Now what is it EXACTLY that you have done in your POS lives
You think I/we've got POS lives?

You're the one doing "legal work".
MEB
2009-12-12 03:55:02 UTC
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Post by 98 Guy
Post by 98 Guy
Actually, he has the personality of a Micro$haft lawyer.
He certainly has the writing style of one.
Actually nimrods, I have tested 9X betas, ...
Ok you klown.
If you've tested 9x then why don't YOU test these suggested 9x patches
instead of always bellyaching that they need or should be tested.
Because you POS, I put my time in MS products... as I told the group I
was done testing, and even extended testing until it became impossible
to use 9X on the Internet, now a couple months ago.
YOU test them, you CLAIM there good files and fix 9X but you have
NOTHING upon which to base that do you..., but WE know you are incapable
of testing anything... but quite willing to pull posts from others while
claiming they are yours, *TRYING* to appear intelligent.
It might work except you don't know what you've posting means... just
as you haven't a CLUE about the files or vulnerabilities, security, nor
anything else you have posted here and elsewhere...
Post by 98 Guy
After all, you're the big test man, right? Microsoft engineers come to
you when they need testing - right? You wrote the book on Windoze
testing - right?
And you've worked on inventing and setting up usenet for them too -
right?
WHILE doing legal work, my regular work,
Now what is it EXACTLY that you have done in your POS lives
You think I/we've got POS lives?
You're the one doing "legal work".
And you ARE nothing but a worthless POS troll and apparently the most
inbred idiot I have run across out here.
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Sunny
2009-12-12 05:08:53 UTC
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Post by MEB
Post by MEB
And you ARE nothing but a worthless POS troll and apparently the most
inbred idiot I have run across out here.
Look into the mirror moron.
Has it completely passed your brain cells, that many posters have pointed
out that you are a cranky old fart?
Chill out you insult.
MEB
2009-12-12 06:29:55 UTC
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Post by Sunny
Post by MEB
Post by MEB
And you ARE nothing but a worthless POS troll and apparently the most
inbred idiot I have run across out here.
Look into the mirror moron.
Has it completely passed your brain cells, that many posters have pointed
out that you are a cranky old fart?
Chill out you insult.
WHo??? You trolls!!! ROTFLMAO
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98 Guy
2009-12-12 05:24:02 UTC
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Post by MEB
I put my time in MS products...
Then why are you still here?

If Win-98 is dead, what exactly brings you to this newsgroup?
Post by MEB
as I told the group I was done testing, and even extended
testing until it became impossible to use 9X on the
Internet, now a couple months ago.
Post your test results. Describe them. What were these "tests" that
you've been doing, until as recently as a couple months ago?
Post by MEB
until it became impossible to use 9X on the Internet
Since when is it impossible to use win-98 on the internet?
Post by MEB
YOU test them
The onus is on you to prove the substitutions are faulty or
detrimental.

For the more elightened win-98 community at large, these updates and
patches are fully accepted. You go on making a fool of yourself in your
convoluted way, your pathetic attempt to spread FUD that is fooling
nobody.
Post by MEB
you CLAIM there good files and fix 9X but you have
NOTHING upon which to base that do you...
And Microsoft claims those files fix or improve win-2k and IE6sp1, yet
they present NO PROOF, NO TEST RESULTS. Why don't you get on their case
and demand they prove to you how each and every patch they release
causes no new harm or vulnerability?
Post by MEB
but WE know you are incapable of testing anything...
The only one proving he is incapable of testing anything IS YOU.

You claim these tests are very important and need to be done.

You claim you're a testing expert.

Yet you DO NO TESTING. Why is that?

PROVE TO US THAT YOU ARE INDEED CAPABLE OF SUCH TESTING BY ACTUALLY
PERFORMING A TEST AND POST THE RESULTS HERE.
Post by MEB
but quite willing to pull posts from others while claiming
they are yours
I made no such claim, and that's really lame and desperate of you to
make such a statement.

It's a good example of how you like to post exaggerations and lies.
Post by MEB
*TRYING* to appear intelligent.
That's what you attempt to do every day here - but you end up doing the
exact opposite.
MEB
2009-12-12 06:36:45 UTC
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Post by 98 Guy
Post by MEB
I put my time in MS products...
Then why are you still here?
If Win-98 is dead, what exactly brings you to this newsgroup?
Post by MEB
as I told the group I was done testing, and even extended
testing until it became impossible to use 9X on the
Internet, now a couple months ago.
Post your test results. Describe them. What were these "tests" that
you've been doing, until as recently as a couple months ago?
Post by MEB
until it became impossible to use 9X on the Internet
Since when is it impossible to use win-98 on the internet?
Post by MEB
YOU test them
The onus is on you to prove the substitutions are faulty or
detrimental.
For the more elightened win-98 community at large, these updates and
patches are fully accepted. You go on making a fool of yourself in your
convoluted way, your pathetic attempt to spread FUD that is fooling
nobody.
Post by MEB
you CLAIM there good files and fix 9X but you have
NOTHING upon which to base that do you...
And Microsoft claims those files fix or improve win-2k and IE6sp1, yet
they present NO PROOF, NO TEST RESULTS. Why don't you get on their case
and demand they prove to you how each and every patch they release
causes no new harm or vulnerability?
Post by MEB
but WE know you are incapable of testing anything...
The only one proving he is incapable of testing anything IS YOU.
You claim these tests are very important and need to be done.
You claim you're a testing expert.
Yet you DO NO TESTING. Why is that?
PROVE TO US THAT YOU ARE INDEED CAPABLE OF SUCH TESTING BY ACTUALLY
PERFORMING A TEST AND POST THE RESULTS HERE.
Post by MEB
but quite willing to pull posts from others while claiming
they are yours
I made no such claim, and that's really lame and desperate of you to
make such a statement.
It's a good example of how you like to post exaggerations and lies.
Post by MEB
*TRYING* to appear intelligent.
That's what you attempt to do every day here - but you end up doing the
exact opposite.
You would have already SEEN these test and things if you weren't just a
recently "out of diapers" computer user in this group...
Go see mommy, I think you messed your pants...
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Sunny
2009-12-12 06:43:02 UTC
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Post by MEB
You would have already SEEN these test and things if you weren't just a
recently "out of diapers" computer user in this group...
Go see mommy, I think you messed your pants...
And you consider yourself an adult?
MEB
2009-12-12 07:06:40 UTC
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Post by Sunny
Post by MEB
You would have already SEEN these test and things if you weren't just a
recently "out of diapers" computer user in this group...
Go see mommy, I think you messed your pants...
And you consider yourself an adult?
What's wrong Sunny, did they shut down the group you used to hang out
in?? HMMM. Awe too bad, guess we'll be seeing more of your witty charm
and vast intellectual capabilities in here...
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Sunny
2009-12-12 07:12:17 UTC
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Post by MEB
Post by Sunny
Post by MEB
You would have already SEEN these test and things if you weren't just a
recently "out of diapers" computer user in this group...
Go see mommy, I think you messed your pants...
And you consider yourself an adult?
What's wrong Sunny, did they shut down the group you used to hang out
in?? HMMM. Awe too bad, guess we'll be seeing more of your witty charm
and vast intellectual capabilities in here...
You won't, you don't participate on Usenet, remember?

One thing I have never done, unlike you, is claim "vast intellectual
capabilities"
You are a hero in your mirror, it just doesn't work for you in the real
World.
MEB
2009-12-12 07:39:10 UTC
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Post by Sunny
Post by MEB
Post by Sunny
Post by MEB
You would have already SEEN these test and things if you weren't just a
recently "out of diapers" computer user in this group...
Go see mommy, I think you messed your pants...
And you consider yourself an adult?
What's wrong Sunny, did they shut down the group you used to hang out
in?? HMMM. Awe too bad, guess we'll be seeing more of your witty charm
and vast intellectual capabilities in here...
You won't, you don't participate on Usenet, remember?
And where, pray tell, have you come up with that notion... do you ever
actually READ what's posted...
Post by Sunny
One thing I have never done, unlike you, is claim "vast intellectual
capabilities"
You are a hero in your mirror, it just doesn't work for you in the real
World.
Yep, you go again... hehehehehe.... so did you have anything
intelligent to say, about ANYTHING... anything at all?????
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Sunny
2009-12-12 08:22:48 UTC
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Post by MEB
Yep, you go again... hehehehehe.... so did you have anything
intelligent to say, about ANYTHING... anything at all?????
I have, but I doubt your ability to absorb it.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2009-12-15 08:29:07 UTC
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In message <***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, MEB
<MEB-not-***@hotmail.com> writes:
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Post by MEB
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by MEB
These are DEFINITELY *not* the way to achieve longer use of the 9X OS.
Perhaps you could say what _is_ - other than keeping it in aspic, virgin
and untouched? Thinking about it, I don't think I have ever seen YOU
post anything about any update, for any part of '98. Maybe you've never
found any that satisfy your rigorous testing requirements.
You're wasting my time...
Abuse rather than answering the question. Normal.
Post by MEB
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by MEB
What part instill NEW AND UNKNOWN vulnerabilities escapes your mental
faculties. Or is it you think that these provide fixes when they are NOT
designed for the 9X OS and the way IT functions, AND are completely
unknown to any available protections used with the 9X OS protection
applications. Perhaps its just that you don't think...
Whisper this quietly: maybe they DO provide fixes (in the form of extra
functionality), but DO introduce new vulnerabilities at the same time!
Okay, *YOU* provide the test results; SHOW 9X users they provide
functionality and no new vulnerabilities... give them something to
review so they can make an intelligent and informed decision...
As another said, you don't get to give orders. Whoever these
hypothetical people are, all they have to go on is: 98Guy posts some
references to files, which he says (without proof) may add some
functionality and may patch some vulnerabilities; you, whenever he does,
reflexly (I know that's not a word) post a warning that these have not
been tested to military standards and may introduce new vulnerabilities
(also without proof). These hypothetical people have to decide which of
you to believe. Or, you post a warning about new vulnerabilities taken
from somewhere else, and someone else (I think it's 98g) reflexly posts
the response "are these relevant to 98". Again, people have to make up
their own minds, since you don't provide any proof that they are, and he
doesn't that they're not.
[]
Post by MEB
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
For once I will refrain from saying why don't you provide some, because
as I say I can't remember - recently, anyway - you providing any details
of any updates at all.
BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE... 9X is EOL. It ended support life with a
finite set of vulnerabilities, change those and you have NO idea what
you do have.
Or don't change them; you still don't know what you have (unless
_possibly_ you're an expert of very high calibre; certainly not the
average or even above-average user). I think that's the nub of the
problem.
Post by MEB
You want fixes then do like you're SUPPOSED to do, search for
programmers providing ACTUAL DESIGNED FOR 9X applications... guess what,
there are some still doing so.
Make your mind up, there either are people (not necessarily within MS)
supporting 98, or there aren't.
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98 Guy
2009-12-15 14:06:14 UTC
Permalink
98Guy posts some references to files, which he says
(without proof) may add some functionality and may
patch some vulnerabilities;
Microsoft is the source of those files. Microsoft claims they fix some
issues with win-2k. Microsoft gives no proof or explanation how they
tested those files, nor can they garantee that they don't contain new
vulnerabilities to be discovered in the future.

There can be no doubt that these files ARE NOT malicious or malware or
contain viruses or trojans. The can be downloaded directly from
Microsoft. These files represent the safest way to enhance and update
win-98.

It's a fact that in the past there have been many files that are common
between win-9x and NT. It is no surprise that many IE6 files remain
compatible between 9x and NT, even these new files.

Of course Microsoft will not say that these files apply to win-9x. Once
the support period for Win-9x ended back in July 2006, Microsoft's
policy is that they simply do not mention win-9x any more for any
reason.

People like MEB that claim that these files are not compatible with
win-9x because Microsoft would have said so if they were. That argument
is retarded because Microsoft stopped saying ANYTHING about win-9x three
years ago. MEB will not address or respond to this simple point of
logic.
post a warning that these have not been tested to military
standards and may introduce new vulnerabilities (also without
proof).
Every patch that Microsoft offers for any OS may introduce new
vulnerabilities. I've asked MEB why he doesn't ask Microsoft to post
evidence that it's tested it's own patches - MEB doesn't respond to that
question either.

If you follow MEB's logic, then even someone with XP shouldn't install
Microsoft's own patches and updates because they could introduce new
vulnerabilities - even if those patches fix certain known
vulnerabilities today. What kind of cracked logic is that?
These hypothetical people have to decide which of you to believe.
Why would anyone believe a blow-hard like MEB? He claims to have all
this background and experience with testing, yet he doesn't lift a
finger to test these files according to his own criteria.

You'd think he would jump at the opportunity to test these files, FIND A
REAL PROBLEM WITH THEM, and then come back here and post his results
along with "I told you so".

We can only conclude the following: Either MEB has tested these files,
found nothing wrong, and kept his results to himself (he doesn't want to
admit that someone else was right about these files) - or - he
doesn't have this testing background that he claims, he has no idea how
to perform these tests, or his understanding of why these files should
work under win-9x is completely faulty.

There is no other rational explanation as to why MEB constantly
criticizes and warns against updating win-9x this way, while posting
nothing to indicate he's done his own investigation to support his own
claims.
Post by MEB
BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE... 9X is EOL. It ended support life
with a finite set of vulnerabilities,
As of July 2006, Win-2K also had some vulnerabilities linked to IE6 that
were discovered over time. Those vulnerabilities were addressed with
patches and updates, and many of those same patch files can be applied
to win-98 with no loss of stability or functionality.

It is not generally known if win-9x systems would have been vulnerable
in the same way as 2K systems if those patches are not applied. MEB
makes the assumption that exploit code designed to operate on win-2K
will also operate on win-9x systems - an assumption that largely does
not hold true.

But these win-9x systems continue to operate just fine with these files
(and believe me, the people in the win-9x forums at msfn.org have many
person-years of experience with these files and they would post
observations of problems if they encountered them).
Post by MEB
change those and you have NO idea what you do have.
Another frequent comment from MEB that is just totally bogus.

His logic is that even if these files allow win-9x to function normally
and without error, they may not really fix the vulnerability they were
intended to fix, and they may introduce a new vulnerability that remains
to be discovered in the future.

The fact is that you can ALWAYS say that about ANY NEW FILES from
microsoft for any supported operating system. It can always be said
that a new file from microsoft does not properly or completely fix a
problem, or that it introduces a new vulnerability or problem that will
take time for someone to discover.

So - do you replace an existing win-98 file with a more recent file
released for win-2k if it does not cause operational problems for your
system? The upside is that you've probably just closed some
vulnerability on your system, or your system is now a little *more*
stable or more compatible with the internet. The downside is that this
may have fixed a known problem now, but created a new vulnerability down
the road. But that's PURE speculation.

MEB thinks it's better to not patch your system against a KNOWN
vulnerability now, because of the POTENTIAL to give it a new
vulnerability in the future. Tell me that's not cracked logic.

It's like saying it's better to not fix a broken arm now, because you
might break it again in the future.
Jeff Richards
2009-12-24 00:19:46 UTC
Permalink
There is an excellent example of some "testing" here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=512005

(skip to the bottom unless you want to trawl through all the abuse).
--
Jeff Richards
----------------------------------------
snip <
Why would anyone believe a blow-hard like MEB? He claims to have all
this background and experience with testing, yet he doesn't lift a
finger to test these files according to his own criteria.
98 Guy
2009-12-24 03:53:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Richards
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=512005
Ya, well, you're probably using the term "testing" loosely.

This isin't really an example of testing as much as it is a cry-baby who
wants someone to fix something that isin't working right.
Post by Jeff Richards
(skip to the bottom unless you want to trawl through all the abuse).
Dude. The abuse is the best part!

-> "And please stop being a dick."

It's clear that MEB never read "How to win friends and influence
people".

I guess we know where he goes to abuse people when he's not lurking
around here.

I find this particularly hillarious and strange:

"It appears that Red Hat is traded on the markets (...)"

Where was he going with that? Was he going to short Red Hat?
Sunny
2009-12-24 06:23:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by 98 Guy
Post by Jeff Richards
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=512005
Ya, well, you're probably using the term "testing" loosely.
This isin't really an example of testing as much as it is a cry-baby who
wants someone to fix something that isin't working right.
Post by Jeff Richards
(skip to the bottom unless you want to trawl through all the abuse).
Dude. The abuse is the best part!
-> "And please stop being a dick."
It's clear that MEB never read "How to win friends and influence
people".
I guess we know where he goes to abuse people when he's not lurking
around here.
"It appears that Red Hat is traded on the markets (...)"
Where was he going with that? Was he going to short Red Hat?
I like the bit where he threatens the use of his web site for another
"whinge"
MEB
2009-12-26 21:34:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sunny
Post by 98 Guy
Post by Jeff Richards
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=512005
Ya, well, you're probably using the term "testing" loosely.
This isin't really an example of testing as much as it is a cry-baby who
wants someone to fix something that isin't working right.
Post by Jeff Richards
(skip to the bottom unless you want to trawl through all the abuse).
Dude. The abuse is the best part!
-> "And please stop being a dick."
It's clear that MEB never read "How to win friends and influence
people".
I guess we know where he goes to abuse people when he's not lurking
around here.
"It appears that Red Hat is traded on the markets (...)"
Where was he going with that? Was he going to short Red Hat?
I like the bit where he threatens the use of his web site for another
"whinge"
It was done, the page directed to those AT REDHAT and has made an
impact. Now what have the three of you done to affect ANYTHING on this
planet that might benefit others... besides this hogwash you constantly
spew...
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Sjouke Burry
2009-12-26 21:40:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by MEB
It was done, the page directed to those AT REDHAT and has made an
impact. Now what have the three of you done to affect ANYTHING on this
planet that might benefit others... besides this hogwash you constantly
spew...
Oh what fun , a troll with 54 bullshit responses accusing somebody
else..........
Paid by M$ and InXXl as well I suspect.....
Sunny
2009-12-27 00:10:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sunny
I like the bit where he threatens the use of his web site for another
"whinge"
<snip>
Post by Sunny
It was done, the page directed to those AT REDHAT and has made an
impact. Now what have the three of you done to affect ANYTHING on this
planet that might benefit others... besides this hogwash you constantly
spew...
In your "Opinion"
You really are a nasty arrogant piece of work Maurice.
What have you done to "affect ANYTHING on this planet"?
(Apart from big note yourself and deride others)
MEB
2009-12-27 05:14:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sunny
Post by Sunny
I like the bit where he threatens the use of his web site for another
"whinge"
<snip>
Post by Sunny
It was done, the page directed to those AT REDHAT and has made an
impact. Now what have the three of you done to affect ANYTHING on this
planet that might benefit others... besides this hogwash you constantly
spew...
In your "Opinion"
You really are a nasty arrogant piece of work Maurice.
What have you done to "affect ANYTHING on this planet"?
(Apart from big note yourself and deride others)
If you don't know already then it wouldn't help to explain it to you.

As for you, it is patently clear you have nothing to do in your life
but be my personal pain in the butt... gosh, guess that means I rate,
huh... and for *you* to use the term arrogant is, in itself, an enigma.

So answer the question, what have you done to change the world or help
others?
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http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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Sunny
2009-12-27 06:34:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by MEB
Post by Sunny
Post by Sunny
I like the bit where he threatens the use of his web site for another
"whinge"
<snip>
Post by Sunny
It was done, the page directed to those AT REDHAT and has made an
impact. Now what have the three of you done to affect ANYTHING on this
planet that might benefit others... besides this hogwash you
constantly
spew...
In your "Opinion"
You really are a nasty arrogant piece of work Maurice.
What have you done to "affect ANYTHING on this planet"?
(Apart from big note yourself and deride others)
If you don't know already then it wouldn't help to explain it to you.
As for you, it is patently clear you have nothing to do in your life
but be my personal pain in the butt... gosh, guess that means I rate,
huh... and for *you* to use the term arrogant is, in itself, an enigma.
So answer the question, what have you done to change the world or help
others?
If you don't know already then it wouldn't help to explain it to you.
MEB
2009-12-27 17:48:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by MEB
Post by MEB
Post by Sunny
Post by Sunny
I like the bit where he threatens the use of his web site for another
"whinge"
<snip>
Post by Sunny
It was done, the page directed to those AT REDHAT and has made an
impact. Now what have the three of you done to affect ANYTHING on this
planet that might benefit others... besides this hogwash you constantly
spew...
In your "Opinion"
You really are a nasty arrogant piece of work Maurice.
What have you done to "affect ANYTHING on this planet"?
(Apart from big note yourself and deride others)
If you don't know already then it wouldn't help to explain it to you.
As for you, it is patently clear you have nothing to do in your life
but be my personal pain in the butt... gosh, guess that means I rate,
huh... and for *you* to use the term arrogant is, in itself, an enigma.
So answer the question, what have you done to change the world or help
others?
If you don't know already then it wouldn't help to explain it to you.
Hmm, Polly wanna cracker?

It has always amazed me how birds with small brains can be trained to
mimic human speech, and even apparently understand some of those words.
I never knew they could be taught to type. Your owners must be quite
proud of their accomplishments.
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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Sunny
2009-12-27 22:52:17 UTC
Permalink
"MEB" <MEB-not-***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
<snip>
Post by MEB
It has always amazed me how birds with small brains can be trained to
mimic human speech, and even apparently understand some of those words.
I never knew they could be taught to type. Your owners must be quite
proud of their accomplishments.
You really are a nasty arrogant piece of work Maurice.
You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the
personality of wallpaper.
MEB
2009-12-28 05:19:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sunny
<snip>
Post by MEB
It has always amazed me how birds with small brains can be trained to
mimic human speech, and even apparently understand some of those words.
I never knew they could be taught to type. Your owners must be quite
proud of their accomplishments.
You really are a nasty arrogant piece of work Maurice.
You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the
personality of wallpaper.
Then again, I suppose teaching forty or fifty words to these limited
brain capacity birds or a few sentences, without further understanding
or comprehension isn't really that much of an accomplishment. Oh well,
it is still, none the less, interesting to see you can type. Psst, you
already typed that before, you're repeating yourself...
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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Esra Sdrawkcab
2009-12-28 08:42:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sunny
<snip>
Post by MEB
It has always amazed me how birds with small brains can be trained to
mimic human speech, and even apparently understand some of those words.
I never knew they could be taught to type. Your owners must be quite
proud of their accomplishments.
You really are a nasty arrogant piece of work Maurice.
You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the
personality of wallpaper.
Why bother replying to him?
--
Nuns! Reverse!
MEB
2009-12-28 09:56:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Esra Sdrawkcab
Post by Sunny
<snip>
Post by MEB
It has always amazed me how birds with small brains can be trained to
mimic human speech, and even apparently understand some of those words.
I never knew they could be taught to type. Your owners must be quite
proud of their accomplishments.
You really are a nasty arrogant piece of work Maurice.
You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the
personality of wallpaper.
Why bother replying to him?
Well, I see we now have several trained birds in here, how interesting.

In case you missed it, these are the only things this trolling parrot
has to offer, how about you...
--
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http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2009-12-28 09:07:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sunny
<snip>
Post by MEB
It has always amazed me how birds with small brains can be trained to
mimic human speech, and even apparently understand some of those words.
I never knew they could be taught to type. Your owners must be quite
proud of their accomplishments.
You really are a nasty arrogant piece of work Maurice.
You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the
personality of wallpaper.
On the whole, I find most wallpaper quite inoffensive.
--
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** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

Dictionary: Opinion presented as truth in alphabetical order. -John Ralston
Saul, essayist, novelist, and critic (1947- )
MEB
2009-12-26 21:31:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by 98 Guy
Post by Jeff Richards
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=512005
Ya, well, you're probably using the term "testing" loosely.
This isin't really an example of testing as much as it is a cry-baby who
wants someone to fix something that isin't working right.
Post by Jeff Richards
(skip to the bottom unless you want to trawl through all the abuse).
Dude. The abuse is the best part!
-> "And please stop being a dick."
It's clear that MEB never read "How to win friends and influence
people".
I guess we know where he goes to abuse people when he's not lurking
around here.
"It appears that Red Hat is traded on the markets (...)"
Where was he going with that? Was he going to short Red Hat?
You people really must have some mental issues prevalent in Australia
and where ever, if you can't figure out where that material went and
what it accomplished.

As for the testing, you might want to review the some of the other bug
reports handled by those parties. THEIR claim is its cutting edge, and
that they should ship these versions out-the-door regardless of fitness
and not worry about what damage and affect other's coding may have on
their own; seems they have taken a page from Microsoft's book..

As for you two, seems you can't figure much out at all. Maybe you need
mommy to help you with some explanations.
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someone watching
2009-12-11 03:37:14 UTC
Permalink
OK guys, after MEBs response to my post I had to do it, after probably
10 years of not having to block senders, I had to do it. So now it's
done. *ALL* MEBs posts are deleted from my system and will no longer
even see them on the system (hurray!).

Sorry MEB (for you), you are just acting too weird!
How old are you? Acting like a self-righteous juvenile, I hope you are
not an OLD man! GROW-UP!
___
Post by someone watching
MEB, you sometimes answer posts with information which is helpful. BUT
the traffic cop approach (e.g. your response to 98Guy's post in this
thread) is just nauseating. It's been addressed before. Don't you have
anything better to do with your time than act as this groups traffic
cop?
We all know this NG addresses an 11 year old (read: ELEVEN YEAR OLD)
operating system, superceded by ME, W2K, XP, Vista, Win7. It is followed
by few people, many of whom (such as myself) *APPRECIATE* ANY WAY TO
CONTINUE USING W98 as technology RACES away!! GET IT? And don't you
think people using an operating system ELEVEN YEARS OLD have SOME
experience with operating systems and realize W98 is UNSUPPORTED and
subject to all kinds of malicious intrusion (BTW; as is *ANY* OS, READ
*ANY* , *ANY*, *ANY* OS), or do you think people are incapable of taking
care of these matters and NEED you acting as a trumpet and their
protector?
Come on, give us a break with that nonsense. I'd like to continue to see
you address posts in a helpful, not HATEFUL manner as is the case here.
Wouldn't you rather be though of as HELPFUL instead of your NOW
perceived participation as an irritant!
Thanks to 98Guy for keeping us updated with these mods to keep W98
going!
I for one don't always use them but keep information in the back of my
mind or even archive it for possible future use. And like MANY, I want
to keep W98 alive as long as possible (because I use it)!
MEB
2009-12-11 04:18:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by someone watching
OK guys, after MEBs response to my post I had to do it, after probably
10 years of not having to block senders, I had to do it. So now it's
done. *ALL* MEBs posts are deleted from my system and will no longer
even see them on the system (hurray!).
Sorry MEB (for you), you are just acting too weird!
How old are you? Acting like a self-righteous juvenile, I hope you are
not an OLD man! GROW-UP!
___
Post by someone watching
MEB, you sometimes answer posts with information which is helpful. BUT
the traffic cop approach (e.g. your response to 98Guy's post in this
thread) is just nauseating. It's been addressed before. Don't you have
anything better to do with your time than act as this groups traffic
cop?
We all know this NG addresses an 11 year old (read: ELEVEN YEAR OLD)
operating system, superceded by ME, W2K, XP, Vista, Win7. It is
followed
Post by someone watching
by few people, many of whom (such as myself) *APPRECIATE* ANY WAY TO
CONTINUE USING W98 as technology RACES away!! GET IT? And don't you
think people using an operating system ELEVEN YEARS OLD have SOME
experience with operating systems and realize W98 is UNSUPPORTED and
subject to all kinds of malicious intrusion (BTW; as is *ANY* OS, READ
*ANY* , *ANY*, *ANY* OS), or do you think people are incapable of
taking
Post by someone watching
care of these matters and NEED you acting as a trumpet and their
protector?
Come on, give us a break with that nonsense. I'd like to continue to
see
Post by someone watching
you address posts in a helpful, not HATEFUL manner as is the case
here.
Post by someone watching
Wouldn't you rather be though of as HELPFUL instead of your NOW
perceived participation as an irritant!
Thanks to 98Guy for keeping us updated with these mods to keep W98
going!
I for one don't always use them but keep information in the back of my
mind or even archive it for possible future use. And like MANY, I want
to keep W98 alive as long as possible (because I use it)!
HEHEHEHE, so you won't see this then, too bad... those that do should
remember that most of the parties making non-standard installation
recommendations haven't used 9X for several years except MAYBE to play
around with occasionally. Many never use Windows at all...

These non-standard file installations are a bad idea, and DO introduce
unknowns {including files never found in 9X except for special needs}
into the stable environment left by EOL. IF you need a browser then find
one that provides the functionality and MORE that IE6 once provided
rather than non-tested files.

As for Media Player, there are numerous players available, many still
being created and updated, and supply 9X capability. The best thing per
Media Player is to BLOCK its access to the Internet altogether, and if
necessary, use something else, generally WITHOUT the DRM and massive
bloat. As for additional codex, there are some available to extend the
capabilities of Media Player....
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98 Guy
2009-12-11 04:25:50 UTC
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Post by MEB
most of the parties making non-standard installation
recommendations haven't used 9X for several years except
MAYBE to play around with occasionally. Many never use
Windows at all...
As usual - more unsubstantiated horse shit from you.
unknown
2009-12-11 16:31:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by 98 Guy
Post by MEB
most of the parties making non-standard installation
recommendations haven't used 9X for several years except
MAYBE to play around with occasionally. Many never use
Windows at all...
As usual - more unsubstantiated horse shit from you.
Some-one is going to ask if you`re ex-poofter mates
being anal back in 98 :)
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