Discussion:
(possibly) free software needed
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Ammammata
2009-12-29 09:09:10 UTC
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I have just restored a windows 98 machine to run an old software
It works, and this should be enough :)

Now, just to complete the job, I need some pieces of software:
- a pdf reader (please, not acrobat: latest foxit installs but doesn't run,
giving an error)
- an antivirus (the lightest you can find, bitdefender 10 free completes
the installation but fails the update)
- a driver for the samsung scx-4824 (nothing available on its web site, do
you think there is something compatible?)

The pc specs: a P4/3000 with 256Mb RAM and 80Gb HDD, Nvidia graphics

TIA
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Auric__
2009-12-29 15:11:34 UTC
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Post by Ammammata
I have just restored a windows 98 machine to run an old software
It works, and this should be enough :)
- a pdf reader (please, not acrobat: latest foxit installs but doesn't
run, giving an error)
Why not Acrobat? I have v4, and in addition to not having the bloat of more
recent versions (~5.5MB download vs ~27MB for v9), it has no problems with
the PDFs I have. (Admittedly, I don't have very many of them; PDF is not my
preferred format. YMMV.)
http://www.oldapps.com/adobe_reader.php
http://www.oldversion.com/Acrobat-Reader.html

An older version of Foxit *might* work:
http://www.oldapps.com/old_version_Foxit_Reader.php
http://www.oldversion.com/Foxit-PDF-Reader.html

There's also Visagesoft (don't know if it'll work on 9x, though):
http://www.visagesoft.com/products/pdfreader/index.php
Post by Ammammata
- an antivirus (the lightest you can find, bitdefender 10 free completes
the installation but fails the update)
AVG7 works, but is no longer supported... and AVG8 & AVG9 officially don't
support 9x, and I haven't tried anything else, recently.

The current version of Avira officially doesn't support 9x; older versions
may or may not work:
http://www.oldapps.com/antivir.php
http://www.oldversion.com/Avira-AntiVir.html

ClamWin (ClamAV for Windows) *should* work on 98, but I've never tried it:
http://www.clamwin.com/
Post by Ammammata
- a driver for the samsung scx-4824 (nothing available on its web site,
do you think there is something compatible?)
Probably not. A quick search through samsung.com shows that you're probably
SOL.
Post by Ammammata
The pc specs: a P4/3000 with 256Mb RAM and 80Gb HDD, Nvidia graphics
TIA
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Usenet always talking about me?"
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98 Guy
2009-12-29 23:38:53 UTC
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Post by Ammammata
I have just restored a windows 98 machine to run an old software
It works, and this should be enough :)
- a pdf reader (please, not acrobat: latest foxit installs
but doesn't run, giving an error)
Adobe acrobat 6.06 runs just fine, and there are some modifications you
can make so that it doesn't display the stupid message when opening
newer pdf files.
Post by Ammammata
- an antivirus (the lightest you can find, bitdefender 10 free
completes the installation but fails the update)
No real need for an AV program for win-98. You will practically never
encounter malware these days that runs on win-98 systems. They're all
designed for XP and other NT-based os's.

Norton Antivirus 2002 runs fine on win-98, and you can download the
newest virus definition files for it. It's free because it doesn't
require an activation key to install it.
Post by Ammammata
- a driver for the samsung scx-4824 (nothing available on its
web site, do you think there is something compatible?)
Canon has some good multifunction office printers that have win-98
support. We have such a printer (it's about 3 or 4 years old) and it is
a fax, scanner, copier, and B/W laser printer, with a network connection
and fully supports win-98.
Auric__
2009-12-30 01:36:11 UTC
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Post by 98 Guy
Post by Ammammata
- an antivirus (the lightest you can find, bitdefender 10 free
completes the installation but fails the update)
No real need for an AV program for win-98. You will practically never
encounter malware these days that runs on win-98 systems. They're all
designed for XP and other NT-based os's.
If it's a Win32 virus, chances are it'll run under 98, regardless of whether
or not it's designed for NT. (It may not perform as intended, which may or
may not be a bad thing, depending on who you are, but it'll probably do
SOMETHING.) As long as the computer is connected to the internet, it really
should have *some* a/v installed.
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Nothing going on over there. This must be where the action is.
98 Guy
2009-12-30 04:51:54 UTC
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Post by Auric__
Post by 98 Guy
No real need for an AV program for win-98. You will practically
never encounter malware these days that runs on win-98 systems.
If it's a Win32 virus, chances are it'll run under 98, regardless
of whether or not it's designed for NT.
As long as the computer is connected to the internet, it really
should have *some* a/v installed.
The real value in AV software is being able to detect an exploit that
worked it's way onto a system without requiring the user to do anything
(like open the front door and let it in).

Exploits like that (usually the result of a heap spray or buffer
overflow) really aren't cross-platform operational. If they do anything
to a win-98 system, it will probably be to crash the vulnerable app
(probably IE or acrobat reader, flash player, etc).

The win32 malware (like the recent rash of fake AV scanners or the
Fedex/DHL or facebook email scams) can easily be countered by simply not
falling for the trick of saying "yes" when the user is prompted to
download and install them.

But even more to the point - is that malware like that is detectible by
maybe 5 to 10% of the AV/AM software for about the first week or two of
circulation, and maybe 50% by the end of the first month.

Every time I come across a fake AV file served up by a hijacked
web-server or via e-mail, I send it off to VirusTotal and usually it's
detected by only 5 out of 40 AV/AM packages. I've got a "virus"
directory on my PC with hundreds of viral files (.exe, .pdf, .swf,
etc). I know how effective AV software *really* is.

In other words, when your AV/AM software tells you that it's detected
some malware, what that means is that the malware got onto your system
about a month ago and your AV software is just now capable of detecting
some components of it. More likely that the malware will de-activate
your AV/AM software in a way that you won't notice.

Once upon a time, AV software was seen as a "must-have" system component
by a lot of people. The truth is that the effectiveness or usefulness
of AV software fell into the toilet about 3 years ago with the emergence
of polymorphic and fast-flux techniques. Many corporations know that
and employ other appliances on their networks to keep that bad shit off
their machines. But many home and soho users aren't clued in enough to
understand that.

You know what's more effective?

1) get a third-party hosts file and update it every once in a while.
Look at MVPS.org.

2) uninstall ALL old versions of Java runtime engine and install only
the last version for win-98 (version 5, update 22 I think).

3) change the file associations in your browser such that any .pdf's
require a decision from you to either download or open the file.

4) turn off java-script rendering in your pdf viewer.

5) If your broad-band router does not do NAT, then put a NAT-router
between your modem and your PC.

6) Install and periodically run Spybot Search and Destroy.

If you download executable code from the net, and think you need to have
an AV program to scan it to tell you that it's safe, then you can do
better by simply submitting the file to VirusTotal.com where it will be
tested by 40-odd AV application programs simultaneously.

If you absolutely must have an AV program on your win-98 system, a
little-known fact is that NAV 2002 works great, and is still supported
by simply downloading the latest Symantec Intelligent Updater package.
NAV 2002 was the last version of NAV that can be easily re-installed
once a year without paying for it.

If someone wants it, I can put it up on a torrent if it's not there
already.
unknown
2009-12-30 19:27:19 UTC
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Post by 98 Guy
Post by Auric__
Post by 98 Guy
No real need for an AV program for win-98. You will practically
never encounter malware these days that runs on win-98 systems.
If it's a Win32 virus, chances are it'll run under 98, regardless
of whether or not it's designed for NT.
As long as the computer is connected to the internet, it really
should have *some* a/v installed.
The real value in AV software is being able to detect an exploit that
worked it's way onto a system without requiring the user to do anything
(like open the front door and let it in).
Exploits like that (usually the result of a heap spray or buffer
overflow) really aren't cross-platform operational. If they do anything
to a win-98 system, it will probably be to crash the vulnerable app
(probably IE or acrobat reader, flash player, etc).
The win32 malware (like the recent rash of fake AV scanners or the
Fedex/DHL or facebook email scams) can easily be countered by simply not
falling for the trick of saying "yes" when the user is prompted to
download and install them.
But even more to the point - is that malware like that is detectible by
maybe 5 to 10% of the AV/AM software for about the first week or two of
circulation, and maybe 50% by the end of the first month.
Every time I come across a fake AV file served up by a hijacked
web-server or via e-mail, I send it off to VirusTotal and usually it's
detected by only 5 out of 40 AV/AM packages. I've got a "virus"
directory on my PC with hundreds of viral files (.exe, .pdf, .swf,
etc). I know how effective AV software *really* is.
In other words, when your AV/AM software tells you that it's detected
some malware, what that means is that the malware got onto your system
about a month ago and your AV software is just now capable of detecting
some components of it. More likely that the malware will de-activate
your AV/AM software in a way that you won't notice.
Once upon a time, AV software was seen as a "must-have" system component
by a lot of people. The truth is that the effectiveness or usefulness
of AV software fell into the toilet about 3 years ago with the emergence
of polymorphic and fast-flux techniques. Many corporations know that
and employ other appliances on their networks to keep that bad shit off
their machines. But many home and soho users aren't clued in enough to
understand that.
You know what's more effective?
1) get a third-party hosts file and update it every once in a while.
Look at MVPS.org.
2) uninstall ALL old versions of Java runtime engine and install only
the last version for win-98 (version 5, update 22 I think).
3) change the file associations in your browser such that any .pdf's
require a decision from you to either download or open the file.
4) turn off java-script rendering in your pdf viewer.
5) If your broad-band router does not do NAT, then put a NAT-router
between your modem and your PC.
6) Install and periodically run Spybot Search and Destroy.
If you download executable code from the net, and think you need to have
an AV program to scan it to tell you that it's safe, then you can do
better by simply submitting the file to VirusTotal.com where it will be
tested by 40-odd AV application programs simultaneously.
If you absolutely must have an AV program on your win-98 system, a
little-known fact is that NAV 2002 works great, and is still supported
by simply downloading the latest Symantec Intelligent Updater package.
NAV 2002 was the last version of NAV that can be easily re-installed
once a year without paying for it.
If someone wants it, I can put it up on a torrent if it's not there
already.
You`re an absolete genius:)
unknown
2009-12-30 19:33:06 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by 98 Guy
Post by Auric__
Post by 98 Guy
No real need for an AV program for win-98. You will practically
never encounter malware these days that runs on win-98 systems.
If it's a Win32 virus, chances are it'll run under 98, regardless
of whether or not it's designed for NT.
As long as the computer is connected to the internet, it really
should have *some* a/v installed.
The real value in AV software is being able to detect an exploit that
worked it's way onto a system without requiring the user to do anything
(like open the front door and let it in).
Exploits like that (usually the result of a heap spray or buffer
overflow) really aren't cross-platform operational. If they do anything
to a win-98 system, it will probably be to crash the vulnerable app
(probably IE or acrobat reader, flash player, etc).
The win32 malware (like the recent rash of fake AV scanners or the
Fedex/DHL or facebook email scams) can easily be countered by simply not
falling for the trick of saying "yes" when the user is prompted to
download and install them.
But even more to the point - is that malware like that is detectible by
maybe 5 to 10% of the AV/AM software for about the first week or two of
circulation, and maybe 50% by the end of the first month. Every time I
come across a fake AV file served up by a hijacked
web-server or via e-mail, I send it off to VirusTotal and usually it's
detected by only 5 out of 40 AV/AM packages. I've got a "virus"
directory on my PC with hundreds of viral files (.exe, .pdf, .swf,
etc). I know how effective AV software *really* is.
In other words, when your AV/AM software tells you that it's detected
some malware, what that means is that the malware got onto your system
about a month ago and your AV software is just now capable of detecting
some components of it. More likely that the malware will de-activate
your AV/AM software in a way that you won't notice.
Once upon a time, AV software was seen as a "must-have" system component
by a lot of people. The truth is that the effectiveness or usefulness
of AV software fell into the toilet about 3 years ago with the emergence
of polymorphic and fast-flux techniques. Many corporations know that
and employ other appliances on their networks to keep that bad shit off
their machines. But many home and soho users aren't clued in enough to
understand that.
You know what's more effective?
1) get a third-party hosts file and update it every once in a while. Look
at MVPS.org.
2) uninstall ALL old versions of Java runtime engine and install only
the last version for win-98 (version 5, update 22 I think).
3) change the file associations in your browser such that any .pdf's
require a decision from you to either download or open the file. 4) turn
off java-script rendering in your pdf viewer.
5) If your broad-band router does not do NAT, then put a NAT-router
between your modem and your PC.
6) Install and periodically run Spybot Search and Destroy.
If you download executable code from the net, and think you need to have
an AV program to scan it to tell you that it's safe, then you can do
better by simply submitting the file to VirusTotal.com where it will be
tested by 40-odd AV application programs simultaneously.
If you absolutely must have an AV program on your win-98 system, a
little-known fact is that NAV 2002 works great, and is still supported
by simply downloading the latest Symantec Intelligent Updater package.
NAV 2002 was the last version of NAV that can be easily re-installed
once a year without paying for it.
If someone wants it, I can put it up on a torrent if it's not there
already.
You`re an absolete genius:)
Meant to say....
Post by unknown
You`re an obsolete genius:)
Ammammata
2009-12-30 09:34:07 UTC
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thankyou to all of you and also to TIA ;)
I'll make some tests next year... the day after tomorrow
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/-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ T /-\
-=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- - -=-
http://www.bb2002.it :) <<<<<
........... [ al lavoro ] ...........
unknown
2009-12-30 18:14:31 UTC
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Post by Ammammata
thankyou to all of you and also to TIA ;)
I'll make some tests next year... the day after tomorrow
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/-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ T /-\
-=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- - -=-
http://www.bb2002.it :) <<<<<
........... [ al lavoro ] ...........
nuovo anno felice
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