Post by 98 GuyPost by z***@hotmail.comIt doesn't matter what you think is superior, it was intended to
sound exactly the way it did in the time it was authored.
They were using what-ever hardware was available at the time -
FM-modulated audio synthesis, not wave-table synthesis.
Yes and they thought their music sounded aesthetic enough otherwise
they would've used WAV.
I've been sequencing MIDIs since forever, my first few when we still
had the old Win95 machine. When I wrote music with an OPL3 playback
device, I liked how my music sounded and designed it with the
intention of it being listened to on that MIDI device only.
When we got our new computer with the AC'97 sound card that had the
onboard MS GS Wavetable, I hated how my old MIDIs sounded on it and
was depressed at the change in general but eventually got used to it
and wrote more MIDIs which would end up being a collection of 800+ in
the next few years. When I wrote them, I wrote them in a way that
sounded good with the new soundcard I had available and I'm sure they
would sound like shit if played back with OPL3 or any other MIDI
device that I did not design them for.
So, I don't get your point. Yes, they used what they had available to
them, but when someone uses something you authored in an unforseeable
way that you didn't intend nor had control over, how do you
erroneously assume it's for the better? Your logic is laughable.
Post by 98 GuyIt's midi. You want real-sounding instruments, get a human to play one.
Um, the flute sounds how it should with OPL3 playback. A flute is
naturally soft and has little to no timbre. How do you assume the
author of GROOVE.MID intended to use a timbred woodwind instrument,
btw? Are you sure he chose the instrument because OPL3 does not have a
timbred woodwind instrument or because he wanted it to sound that way?
Post by 98 GuyYou want to explain how you heard ailiasing in a 44.1 khz sampled 16-bit
PCM audio stream?
You sampled a 22khz audio stream with twice the sampling rate with a
shitty recorder like Sndrec32 that does not feature anti-aliasing and
the clipping just augmented the artifacts. A spectrograph confirmed
what I heard. It's above the 22khz shelf, maybe you can't hear it
because you're old. At my age, I can hear up to 32.
Post by 98 GuyWFT is a square wave?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/y4v9k9
First half is real squarewaves from the real device, second is how you
hear them with this crappy MS GS Wavetable MIDI.
Post by 98 GuyHow many composers or transcribers _really_ want to create music that
sounds like it's being played on an Atari 800?
Look around, there's plenty. Why do you think old videogame music from
8-bit and 16-bit eras have such a large fanbase and many bands,
symphonies play the pieces in organized events that get crammed with
fans?
Why do you think Jean Michel Jarre is so successful, who by the way
created music out of "beeps and bloops" from electronic devices since
the 60s?
It's possible to create aesthetics and beauty with classic electronic
equipment.
Post by 98 GuyPost by z***@hotmail.comIt might sound better to you because its not a series of beeps
anymore but the fact is that is not how the song was intended
to sound or be listened to.
Intended my ass.
It was all they had available at the time.
And they still went on with it anyways. They could've just used WAV
which many companies went for, like Sony for their PS1 which by the
way had shittier music than its competitor N64 that still used a
limited, custom MIDI device.
Post by 98 GuyIf you want to hear it today in exactly the same way you heard it 15
years ago, that's your choice.
In this specific case, I want to re-live old memories. I was 6 years
old last time I played around with Voyetra AudioStation and listened
to the sample MIDIs with the old hardware. All other kind of music I
have the proper methods to play them the way they were meant to be
played.
Post by 98 GuyBut you can't say that the way it sounded 15 years ago was *exactly* the
way that the people that created the midi files wanted, or desired, or
intended it to sound at the time. How can you argue that they would
have wanted anything other than realistic-sounding musical instrument
sound?
Is a timbred-flute realistic? Do squarewaves really sound like a
trumpet clogged with an elephant testicle?
Post by 98 GuyNo, because VLC won't play midi files unless it has a soundfont, and it
didn't have a soundfont file until I downloaded the GeneralUser_GS_1.4
file.
You should be able to play MIDIs with any player you want but change
the MIDI device in Windows sound settings. I have a few, MS GS
Wavetable SW being the default.
Post by 98 GuyPost by z***@hotmail.comor that soundfont is exactly the same soundbank as the one
already on your soundcard.
My soundcard = C-Media AC97 Audio Device
Your soundcard is irrelevant, the MIDI synth can be onboard but not
always. But the key here is the MIDI device, and we both have the same
one.
Post by 98 Guyhttp://www3.telus.net/anapan8/oldscardemu.htm
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/everything-else/46440-getting-a-classic-o.....
Yes, old page. All links are dead.
Post by 98 Guyhttp://mscore.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/mscore/trunk/mscore/share/so...
It isn't.
Post by 98 GuyAnd told VLC to use it. I then had VLC play your groove.mid file, and
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/6/15/3316408/groove2.wav
Bad boy, I pointed out your flaws last time you did this and you
didn't listen to a word I said. Lower your goddamn volume, your sample
is CLIPPED. This one at least didn't sound aliased, whether or not it
really was.
I appreciate the help and all, but would it kill you to encode to MP3
so I don't have to wait 5 minutes downloading?
Post by 98 GuyIt sounds different than the version using the GS wavetable soundfont.
Does it sound more like you think it should?
You have the YouTube link to know how its supposed to sound like. And
no, the flute still sounds like a timbred mess of shit.
Post by 98 GuyIf all you want to do is play midi files that *sound* like they were
being played through an FM-synthesis OPL3 sound card, then just go out
and get VLC and tell it to use the TimGM6mb.sf2 sound font and play your
midi files through VLC. It won't matter what OS you have.
Didn't need VLC, I loaded TimGM6mb.sf2 with Synthfont and it sounds
nothing like OPL3.